S110V does have better wear resistance than S30V. Sharpening the s110v takes me a bit longer than the s30v but the former keeps a great edge for much longer and a longer time period between sharpening. After cutting up the coconut the edge seems to be holding up well! They still sell the S30v and S110v. Cruwear can be compared to many steels, to sum it up. And - and this is not a popular opinion - S110V isn't necessarily better than S30V. There's the truism that it's somehow tougher than s30v, but all that was changed was a drop in vanadium by 1% and a tiny decrease in carbon, plus other very minor stuff added. I recall Sal saying S30V is no slouch, or words to that effect, while talking about steels reputedly more super. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Not only that, but you also have to consider the sharpening equipment involved. S90V VS S110V. It’s between D2 and S30V in wear resistance. Steel is essentially an alloy (i.e. That's going to vary a lot depending on how it's Heat Treated, it has a rather large usable hardness range from 58-65 and even more HT formulas. Martensitic is a specific type of stainless steel alloy. Given some of the rumors and speculation that are floating around (based on some comments on British blades) I thought it would be interesting to get people's opinions on how these two steels compare. So not super hard. In choosing the best pocket knife you should pay particular attention to the type of steel used in the blade. Spyderco Counterfeits, Clones, Replicas, etc. It's just a consequence of s30v hype blowback. Good to hear so far. Then there's that "super steel" cool factor. Personally I prefer s110v over s30v. M390 vs S110V: I have a knife with M390. 121. Alright so I'm about to pick up a new EDC knife (my very first Spyderco) and I'm really torn between these two steels. The abrasive wear resistance of CPM S110V at various hardnesses is compared to other wear- and corrosion-resistant grades below. It's a fun subject to discuss, but there are more important features to a knife. S30V is easier to sharpen, so if you're not used to high carbide steels, S110V will prove quite difficult. In today's guide, we'll focus on the […] рукоять анод.алюминий, сталь M390 M390 for me really requires time to do things by hand using diamond hones. ; 9% of Vanadium: Improves wear resistance and hardenability. 22:06. If you want to try S110V I'd probably say to go with the BM 940-1 instead. If I had one complaint it would be that I experience some occasional (very minor) microchipping in the edge. The only of my knives that I've put through any appreciable amount of use that have S110V are my 0560CBCF and Native5 (2013 Sypderco forum knife). All my S30V knives are pocket knives and see very different use than a kitchen knife. It works pretty well (albeit a bit slow) on S30V. In the patent of K490 [7], they measured the toughness both with and without a 0.5% niobium addition. Since you're talking about Spyderco S110V, I assume you're talking about the Manix 2 LW? It's feather light, has an awesome blade shape and grind, and the lockup is fantastic (the CBBL wears in over time and becomes easier to use), also the handles just look so cool. Aerosmith101. I use an S110V mule in my kitchen daily and it works well. If you touch up the edge before it gets noticeably dull, either steel will stay plenty sharp for a very very very long time. S30V VS S110V. IMO..in general . I have one folder in S110V and that is my Forum Native and it has seen very, very little use. In this section, we’re going to compare our steel with other steels, and for this, I use four criteria; ... I’d rather go for the S110V, S90V or S30V (And yes CPM SV series are taking over the knives market with their new technology). It doesn't really have any benefit over s110v. CPM-S35VN is the new, upgraded brother of S30V. The main changes we expect from S45VN vs S35VN and S30V are an improvement in corrosion resistance due to the increase in Cr of about 1%. I do my touch-ups on a Sharpmaker. I don't have anything in s110v but I have always found s30v to be a good all around steel. There have been multiple reports of chipping and rolling, which are probably due to S110V's inherent edge stability issues. For what it's worth, I absolutely loved the Manix 2 LW for EDC. S30V is easier to sharpen, so if you're not used to high carbide steels, S110V will prove quite difficult. The problem is I've just started getting into this hobby again (with actual disposable income this time) and I have little experience sharpening knives in general let alone those harder steels. It was designed in conjunction with knife companies, knifemakers, and heat treaters to learn the properties that they wanted in a knife steel. Reach your true potential. Rare case of a steel designed as a cutlery steel. ; 15.25% of Chromium: For tensile strength and Edge retention, and enhances corrosion resistance and wear resistance. Depending on how you use and maintain your knives, though, it may not make much of a difference. Unless you are continuously cutting lots of very abrasive materials with no opportunity to do any sort of touch-up maintenance, you likely won't notice much difference. So what else it out there that may compete for your hard earned dollars in considering the Military CPM S110V?Well, the first obvious choice is the standard Spyderco CPM S30V Military which is cheaper at about $150. The fact that your only negative is chipping, it is performing as designed. It is difficult for me to make any comparisons for this reason. I use 154cm on a regular basis and my other EDCs have steel like Sandvik, AUS8, etc. But the exclusive has a better steel (cpm 20cv). Thanks for the comments! It stays sharp for what seems like forever to me but that is hard to say because the rest of my kitchen knives are cheap junk and the wife is kind of hard on them. Mtk android suite daemon MT/123-1RD Microtech Ultratech T/E - нож автомат, алюм. It does offer the best sharpenability of the very high edge retention stainless steels because of less vanadium carbide, however, and it also has very good corrosion resistance. Oct 28, 2018. Also offers different handle colors.The Spyderco S110V ParaMilitary 2 is also cheaper, at about $150. From what I've heard s110v supposedly has much better edge retention. Update 3/10/2020: We did a range of experiments with SPY27 to supplement the estimates in this article. The only thing that would push me toward the other knife would be the lighter weight, but I carry a full sized griptilian most of the time now and that doesn't bother me. Several well known knife makers participated in the development/research including: Phil Wilson, Sal Glesser, Ernest Emerson, Tony Marfione, William Harsey Jr., … Maxamet Vs. S30V. I feel that's a pretty meh design, myself, with a lot of flex in the scales. Pick the knife you like based on the design, not the steel. All things pocket knives. M390 has similar corrosion resistance, and falls between S30V and S90V for edge holding and ease of sharpening in my experience. рук-ть, черн. And - and this is not a popular opinion - S110V isn't necessarily better than S30V. In the knife world, there's bad steel and good steel. There have been multiple reports of chipping and rolling, which are probably due to S110V… For a while CPM-S30V was the top of the line steel. 2.8% of Carbon: It improves hardness and wear/corrosion resistance, but a high amount of it decreases strength. Love the design and eager to try out a Spyderco. S30V S110V; EDGE RETENTION: 5/10: 8/10: EASE OF SHARPNESS: 5/10: 5/10: CORROSION RESISTANCE: 7/10: 7/10: TOUGHNESS: 6/10: 2/10: S110V offers high edge retention with low toughness and the same corrosion resistance compared to S30V. Both S30V and S35VN steel are made with the same carbon and chrome content, and from various tests, both steels provide the same edge retention and corrosion resistance. K390 VS Steel . I have the s110v lw Manix and the standard s30v PM2. By Larry Connelley When looking at quality American-made knives, you'll notice that S35VN and S30V steel are two of the more popular steels for knife blades. Edit: So I ended up buying the Manix 2 C101GP2 from Blade HQ. If you do stress your edge until it is completely dull, you will get more use out of S110V between sharpenings. But even all that aside, I wouldn't let the steel dictate which knife I'd choose. S110V has a similar Mo content as well so it should still have better corrosion resistance than S45VN. It makes sense because, well, it's meant to be high wear resistance and stones are wearing it away. клинок танто, сталь CTS-204P 38 700 руб MT/123-10MR Microtech Ultratech MERLOT RED нож автомат. ... S110V and M390/20CV/204P do have higher Cr in solution than S45VN. Obviously, the latter has better features such as durability, corrosion resistance, sharpness, to name but a few. Its main advantage is that it is easy to sharpen (easier than S90v steel, at least) and is not too shabby when it comes to corrosion and wear resistance. Alongside edge geometry and design, blade steel is a critical element that determines how a knife performs. So, nobody has any input on how s110v compares to s30v in areas like edge retention, toughness, strength, edge stability etc? S30V VS D2. If you've never tried S30V before, you don't need to skip right ahead to S110V. M390 vs S90V (CPM S90V) M390 Benchmade 20cv is outstanding in my book. How does it stack up on edge retention, toughness, strength, edge stability etc? This is my favorite test so far.There are a lot of steel "facts" that are taken at face value. That's my 2 cents anyway. Paid Subscribers don't see ads! A note on the hardness, @frankie_blades on Instagram who does amazing custom work on Spydercos did a hardness test with his Ames portable Rockwell tester and got 64 HRC he didn't do mutiple tests to average but he did calibrate his tester with the testing block before testing. It has low corrosion resistant than the stainless steels but more corrosion resistant than the 1% carbon steels like 1095. I can t personally judge the tendencies for chipping. Get the one you like most and don't worry about the steel. Different animals.Metalurgy and chemistry are so boring.Let's talk real life.S30V is a good allaround steel, it keeps a good working edge for a decent amount of time but it looses the shaving sharp edge quite fast.What I like about S30V is that it's very aggresive when it bites into the material(probably due to the microchips).For "usual stuff" S110V will maintain a shaving sharp edge for a long time.Very long....And it's quite tough.Being a Cruwear guy I don't care for any of these steels.I am surprised to hear that you do not have anything in S110V.I own two Manix2 LW in S110V and one of them is collecting dust.It's a shame.From now on it is written Lance all over it.Just say when and where.Let's say that the little duck you saved was a friend of mine, S30V, VG10, Super Blue, Cruwear x4, CTS XHP, S110V x2, M4 x3, S35VN, CTS 204P x2, S90V, HAP 40, K390, RWL34, MAXAMET, ZDP 189, REX 45. I can also get different scales pretty easily which is pretty cool if I end up loving it. S35VN has better transverse toughness than S30V (12 ft-lbs vs 10 ft-lbs) [6]. Before you buy a new knife or make one, you need to take your time to ensure it's made of good steel. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It was sold out when I was first looked at it then became available as I was browsing. CPM-S30V has become one of the most used premium steels on the market among knife manufacturers. S30v Steel. S30V Vs S35VN Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Aerosmith101, Nov 27, 2018. S110V has a similar Mo content as well so it should still have better corrosion resistance than S45VN. Yeah I ended up ordering the S30V for those reasons. CPM S110V Steel Chemical composition . You can read those experiments here.. History. 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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't intrigued just to own one. Edge stability is greater in lower carbide steels as long as the hardness is in the upper range. In head-to-head testing, you would struggle to discern a significant difference between the two knife steels, but under a microscope you will see improved toughness and sharpenability (S35VN is a dream to sharpen when compared to S110V). It’s more wear-resistant than the tough steels like 5160, A2. CPM S110V features the same high vanadium content as CPM S90V, plus the added contribution of 3.5% niobium, resulting in 25% greater volume of wear-resistant carbides, including 50% more of the wear-resistant MC type. S110V=26 Maxamet=24 M390=26.  Originally developed by both Chris Reeve (a world renowned knife maker) and Dick Barber of Crucible Industries, S30V is a martensitic powder-made stainless steel. Is the cruwear the overall best version. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Nov 27, 2018 #1. CPM S30V(Crucible) - Developed in 2001, by Crucible. Knives > D2 Tool Steel vs S30V. I've always kinda wanted to try s30v and just haven't yet. That improved toughness is likely due to a refined carbide structure. I have used S30V for quite some time and have less experience with S110V but some. S30V was designed to offer a “balanced” stainless steel which could offer good grindability, toughness, corrosion resistance, and edge retention. It's a great steel and Spyderco does a good job with it. This comparison conveys the largest gap in edge retention, as private reviewers were unhappy with how quickly the S30V blade became blunt for general cutting on typical items like rugs. The comparison between the two is tough. I'm having a hard time deciding. S110V vs S90V and M398 As I wrote in my M398 article , I am not a big fan of the steel because of its coarse structure and relatively low toughness. S30V is easier to sharpen, so if you're not used to high carbide steels, S110V will prove quite difficult. Fwiw, I have experienced similar behavior from s90v. How about s110v? From what I've read, S30V was designed to give additional wear resistance when toughness is not needed. If both steels have upper range hardness and geometry alike, S110V should have higher strength, wear, edge holding but lower impact toughness then S30V. I've also had knives with S110V and it's not much like S90V, in that it is way easier to sharpen to a mirror edge. Press J to jump to the feed. Those are the companies that I don't understand. I'm just curious and can't find any answers, what's the difference between S30V and S35VN S30V provides enough of a performance boost. S110V is objectively a superior steel in every way, except it's more expensive... And it is an absolute nightmare to sharpen if you're going to higher grits. красн. It’s tougher than the stainless steels like S30V, M390. You'll be more than satisfied with the S30V. I’ll be crazy or a big lair if I say No, S90V is just perfect for knives, it has what every knife user is looking for, great edge retention, great corrosion resistance, great wear resistance, honestly we can’t ask for more, even if sharpening would take us time and effort (Yes it won’t be easy sharpening an S90V) but once sharpen you’re going to enjoy that sharpness for long. Even though its edge retention is inferior to that of S90v steel, this is steel a quality, high-end martensitic stainless steel. This does not bode well as edge retention is a top, if not the top, priority for knife fanatics. On January 15, 2020 Spyderco announced [1] knives being produced in a new steel: CPM SPY27, a steel produced by … Anyone have any advice? And if not, I doubt it would be too difficult to sell. 110v is hypothetically more brittle because it has more stuff. a mix) of carbon and iron that is often enriched with other elements to improve certain characteristics depending on the desired application. ; 2.25% of Molybdenum: Increase Machinability and strength. I'd say go for it. I have and have regularly used several knives in S30V. While CPM S30V won’t have the extreme edge retention that CPM S110V does it will be somewhat easier to sharpen for most than CPM S110V. S110V=26 Maxamet=24 M390=26. And - and this is not a popular opinion - S110V isn't necessarily better than S30V. Thanks to ShavedAlpaca, giorgi chubinidze, and Сергей Якунин for becoming Knife Steel Nerds Patreon supporters!. Besides, at the end of the day I'm not sure I'd notice a difference in edge retention anyway. There have been multiple reports of chipping and rolling, which are probably due to S110V's inherent edge stability issues. Toughness Test K390 vs Cruwear vs S110V. It works on S110V as well, but it takes noticeably longer. a mix) of carbon and iron that is often enriched with other elements to improve certain characteristics depending on the desired application.
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